Written By Sina
June 17, 2018, 7:44 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Shard
I do not know Mistress Shard, but what I can say is that these types of comments are unproductive. Debate is all well and good, but it should be a respectful sharing of ideas and beliefs. Once you go down that road of disrespect and name-calling, you only fuel the flames of conflict and division.
Sir Preston is one of the staunchest supporters of the Orthodoxy of the Faith. His faith is one of absolutes, including absolute loyalty to the Gods and obedience to the decrees of the Dominus. That is his path. While I may not always agree with Sir Preston in matters of philosophy or approach, he is worthy of respect as a leader in his own right within the Faith, and as a devoted servant of the Gods.
It was never my intention to bicker or cause bickering. Only to encourage discussion and thought in hopes of opening our hearts and minds to civil discourse. Since it has now officially turned to name-calling, I am bowing out.
Sir Preston is one of the staunchest supporters of the Orthodoxy of the Faith. His faith is one of absolutes, including absolute loyalty to the Gods and obedience to the decrees of the Dominus. That is his path. While I may not always agree with Sir Preston in matters of philosophy or approach, he is worthy of respect as a leader in his own right within the Faith, and as a devoted servant of the Gods.
It was never my intention to bicker or cause bickering. Only to encourage discussion and thought in hopes of opening our hearts and minds to civil discourse. Since it has now officially turned to name-calling, I am bowing out.
Written By Cullen
June 17, 2018, 7:26 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
A woman of whom I think very highly said that sometimes the best course of action is to say nothing at all when I initially picked up a quill to pen a reaction to the Dominus' decision. However, I think that that with some time to cool down I've only a simple thing to say on it, something that saddens me immensely.
I was preparing to join a Discipleship myself, but I would no sooner give up the spirits than the gods. As an extremely devout follower of both, I count myself fortunate that I hadn't yet become a disciple, and would have had to resign it, like so many friends have had to do so painfully. And now we are weaker when we need to be stronger.
I was preparing to join a Discipleship myself, but I would no sooner give up the spirits than the gods. As an extremely devout follower of both, I count myself fortunate that I hadn't yet become a disciple, and would have had to resign it, like so many friends have had to do so painfully. And now we are weaker when we need to be stronger.
Written By Shard
June 17, 2018, 6:41 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Preston
I don't know about the high lord, but being a sanctimonious jackass always convinces me to give up my misguided worships.
Written By Preston
June 17, 2018, 6:19 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Darren
The point where I disagree most is a single word. You said 'rightly'. That they rightly refuse to give up worship of the shamanist ways to fully embrace the Pantheon. It has always been a compromise which allows this blended shamanism and pantheon worship to exist. The fact pure shamanistic worship and rejection of the pantheon was outlawed should show a direction of travel that was desired, and which many over the years have followed.
But. Rightly. That word. Does that mean then that those who instead pledge to worship the Gods alone, and continue their good work within the Faith, are those people wrong? Are all people who worship just the Pantheon, as we have for untold years of our past? I know that extends that single word to an extreme, but it is worth considering. A high lord's words carry direction, similar to a Dominus. If you tell your people one way is right then the other must be wrong, and think of the impact of that. Both on people decisions, but also on those who have already made the decision to put away misguided worships in favour of pure worship of the Pantheon.
But. Rightly. That word. Does that mean then that those who instead pledge to worship the Gods alone, and continue their good work within the Faith, are those people wrong? Are all people who worship just the Pantheon, as we have for untold years of our past? I know that extends that single word to an extreme, but it is worth considering. A high lord's words carry direction, similar to a Dominus. If you tell your people one way is right then the other must be wrong, and think of the impact of that. Both on people decisions, but also on those who have already made the decision to put away misguided worships in favour of pure worship of the Pantheon.
Written By Clara
June 17, 2018, 6:04 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Arik
Likewise, I stand by Arik's observations on the topic of the Faith's Decree. It is true that this decision affects many who accept both Shamanism and the Pantheon as personal faith. Many have been barred from showing their devotion in a way of their choosing to their patron Gods due to the beliefs of an institution that is supposed to be working on integrating itself into the hearts and minds of people across The Compact.
Those that find themselves lost and betrayed have the option of letting this travesty poison their minds or we can take it as an opportunity to let our hearts grow by embracing that knowledge that all men are imperfect and subject to making grievous mistakes.
The Spirits and The Gods offer us wisdom but it is up to us whether or not we choose to listen and so I extend to people a thought... Will we embrace our fellow men and women in The Compact despite their faults or do we continue to hold a grudge against the Dominius for his apparent slight against an entire culture?
After my own knee jerk reactions, something I am not wholly proud of but will own, I feel that it is best for myself and others that we continue to work on bridging the gap between the acceptance of Gods and Spirits, Shamans and Archlectors, Shamanism and The Faith. Anyone event is welcome to come and speak with me on the topic if they need an ear.
Those that find themselves lost and betrayed have the option of letting this travesty poison their minds or we can take it as an opportunity to let our hearts grow by embracing that knowledge that all men are imperfect and subject to making grievous mistakes.
The Spirits and The Gods offer us wisdom but it is up to us whether or not we choose to listen and so I extend to people a thought... Will we embrace our fellow men and women in The Compact despite their faults or do we continue to hold a grudge against the Dominius for his apparent slight against an entire culture?
After my own knee jerk reactions, something I am not wholly proud of but will own, I feel that it is best for myself and others that we continue to work on bridging the gap between the acceptance of Gods and Spirits, Shamans and Archlectors, Shamanism and The Faith. Anyone event is welcome to come and speak with me on the topic if they need an ear.
Written By Clara
June 17, 2018, 5:43 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Darren
I think that High Lord Darren has said this best and I thank him for putting my own feelings on the matter into smoother words than I was able during my initial frustration.
Written By Clara
June 17, 2018, 5:36 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Subject: New Redrain Houses
I disagree with how this was done. I disagree with the ease at which anyone, commoners or otherwise, were able to simply come into a house and power with minimal effort in proving their loyalties and maturity. I look upon these new houses with a leery eye. I will openly state my distrust of this situation but I do hope my instincts are wrong.
I disagree with how this was done. I disagree with the ease at which anyone, commoners or otherwise, were able to simply come into a house and power with minimal effort in proving their loyalties and maturity. I look upon these new houses with a leery eye. I will openly state my distrust of this situation but I do hope my instincts are wrong.
Written By Sina
June 17, 2018, 5:25 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Preston
That is to say, anyone who is a layperson.
Written By Violet
June 17, 2018, 5:01 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
I can only imagine those who will find their lives turned upside down. Some of those the Faith has just turned away have likely dedicated most of their lives in service. Only to be dismissed for acknowledging the existence of something as old as it. One thought to compare worshipping the Pantheon and shamanism as having fealty to two lieges. Yet I disagree. As someone who has seen both worlds, caught in the middle even, it couldn't be further.
The spirits acknowledge the Gods. Why is it so hard for the Faith to do the same? The spirits are a part of everything. They don't -need- worship or even require it. They ask little of us. They are a natural part of this world. The Church of the Faith is worship. While belief in the spirits is just...understanding.
These actions worry me. In a time when we need to be the most cohesive, this will divide many. Even if it is simply separating long-time friends among the faith. Templars brothers and sisters from one another. People suddenly left without something that has driven them. And it's ripples may further drive a wedge between the Oathlands and the North. Something I don't want to see happen.
Either way I know the Blades will welcome those who come to use. Skill is valued as well as conviction. And there is one thing I have found in those who have served, they are dedicated to their beliefs.
The spirits acknowledge the Gods. Why is it so hard for the Faith to do the same? The spirits are a part of everything. They don't -need- worship or even require it. They ask little of us. They are a natural part of this world. The Church of the Faith is worship. While belief in the spirits is just...understanding.
These actions worry me. In a time when we need to be the most cohesive, this will divide many. Even if it is simply separating long-time friends among the faith. Templars brothers and sisters from one another. People suddenly left without something that has driven them. And it's ripples may further drive a wedge between the Oathlands and the North. Something I don't want to see happen.
Either way I know the Blades will welcome those who come to use. Skill is valued as well as conviction. And there is one thing I have found in those who have served, they are dedicated to their beliefs.
Written By Darren
June 17, 2018, 4:56 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
I write this in the wake of the Dominus' proclamation, barring those who are not wholly and singularly dedicated to worship of the Pantheon from service to any Faith-based organizations. Many of my people today stepped down from their positions in those institutions as they refused, rightly, to forsake the spirits. The sense of loss they feel for the roles they played and the comrades they leave behind is profound, I know, but to my thinking the Faith suffers the biggest loss of all as they lose these motivated, devout, and faithful servants. The Compact loses as the good works these people were doing are interrupted.
It is no secret that the highest concentration of adherents to the shamanic faith exists within the population of the Northlands. What has perhaps not been considered is how many more people of this fealty who are devout and fervent followers of the Pantheon also hold a secondary belief in the spirits and shamanic traditions. These people are now blocked from effective participation in the Faith, from the official service of gods in whom they believe and revere no less than any others of the faithful.
Listening to the words of my people who feel shunned and betrayed, reading the arguments and bickering taking place in the Whites, I confess some difficulty recognizing this result as unifying in any way. Within my own Great House I have seen family members step down from the institutions of Faith they served and I have heard others renounce beliefs they held dear only yesterday, forsaking one loyalty to maintain another. Is Redrain an 'outsider surviving in the shadows?' I contend that we are not.
It is no secret that the highest concentration of adherents to the shamanic faith exists within the population of the Northlands. What has perhaps not been considered is how many more people of this fealty who are devout and fervent followers of the Pantheon also hold a secondary belief in the spirits and shamanic traditions. These people are now blocked from effective participation in the Faith, from the official service of gods in whom they believe and revere no less than any others of the faithful.
Listening to the words of my people who feel shunned and betrayed, reading the arguments and bickering taking place in the Whites, I confess some difficulty recognizing this result as unifying in any way. Within my own Great House I have seen family members step down from the institutions of Faith they served and I have heard others renounce beliefs they held dear only yesterday, forsaking one loyalty to maintain another. Is Redrain an 'outsider surviving in the shadows?' I contend that we are not.
Written By Sina
June 17, 2018, 4:40 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Preston
While the Dominus' words are not to be denied, I think perhaps denying the ability of the populace in general to ask questions and explore the reasons for the pronouncement is a bit harsh. As a Scholar of Vellichor, questions are of paramount importance to me, regardless of the situation, so that we might gain a better understanding of a thing. Discussion and debate can be healthy in some circumstances, and while the decision will likely not change, it is an opportunity for us, as representatives of the Faith, to address those concerns and questions and even solidify our own stance on the matter.
As I discuss and debate the matter here in the journals, I find that my own questions are answered, after reviewing and considering the responses of others. If we are not free to discuss matters, even if they are decreed by the most beloved of the Gods, then we are not following the precepts of Vellichor, who is the God of Knowledge, nor of the Thirteenth, whose precepts ask us to examine a situation from all angles. To accept these matters on blind faith alone, while understandable for some, is not something that everyone is able to do. Discussion and deep reflection is needed in order to ease the transition into this new policy.
As it stands, I was at first disheartened by the pronouncement, but my questions and the discussion with others has assured me that it is the right course. I, like many, had a knee-jerk reaction to the situation and saw at first the alarming potential for that very schism the Dominus is hoping to avoid. But then, on thought, prayer and reflection as well as discussion and questions, I have come to realize that this situation is not as dire as it seems. It is simply that if one wishes to be a Disciple of the Faith, one cannot also follow the ways of Shamanism. But there's nothing in what the Dominius said to prevent anyone from 'walking both paths' as far as worship goes.
As I discuss and debate the matter here in the journals, I find that my own questions are answered, after reviewing and considering the responses of others. If we are not free to discuss matters, even if they are decreed by the most beloved of the Gods, then we are not following the precepts of Vellichor, who is the God of Knowledge, nor of the Thirteenth, whose precepts ask us to examine a situation from all angles. To accept these matters on blind faith alone, while understandable for some, is not something that everyone is able to do. Discussion and deep reflection is needed in order to ease the transition into this new policy.
As it stands, I was at first disheartened by the pronouncement, but my questions and the discussion with others has assured me that it is the right course. I, like many, had a knee-jerk reaction to the situation and saw at first the alarming potential for that very schism the Dominus is hoping to avoid. But then, on thought, prayer and reflection as well as discussion and questions, I have come to realize that this situation is not as dire as it seems. It is simply that if one wishes to be a Disciple of the Faith, one cannot also follow the ways of Shamanism. But there's nothing in what the Dominius said to prevent anyone from 'walking both paths' as far as worship goes.
Written By Clara
June 17, 2018, 4:37 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Preston
To which I direct you at Sina's repsonse to the Archlector Skald of which I was responding. I hold no grudge against The Gods and Goddesses of the Pantheon nor their followers. They are not the ones that made this decision.
Written By Preston
June 17, 2018, 4:33 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
The Dominus, speaking as the Dominus, is always correct. When he speaks as Aldwin about, oh, whether the day is nice, or if so and so is wearing a nice robe, you should feel free to disagree with him. But on matters of faith, the Faith and of the Gods? He is beyond question in his pronouncements. It will hurt many I am sure, it means areas of the Redrain lands will struggle to recruit Templars in their parishes, though they will not be outside of our protection. It means friends will no longer be there at dinners of the Faith. But. When even some of the more radical Archlectors openly agree with the Dominus in this, know it is the resolve of the Faith. Those that guide others in the Faith, that work within our halls, must speak only with our voice as they do this.
And in that be mindful. Disagree with the decision, much as I say it is pointless. We have never stopped people from running into walls if that is their wish. I just hope people will not place themselves in opposition to the Faith or seek to undermine it, as a bastion of the Compact. That would harm us all.
And in that be mindful. Disagree with the decision, much as I say it is pointless. We have never stopped people from running into walls if that is their wish. I just hope people will not place themselves in opposition to the Faith or seek to undermine it, as a bastion of the Compact. That would harm us all.
Written By Preston
June 17, 2018, 4:15 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Clara
I assume all in the Spirit Walkers must walk the two paths, as you say - that of Pantheon blended with Shamanism. As acknowledgement and worship of the Pantheon, even if alongside old beliefs, is a required part of membership of the Compact as I understand things.
Written By Sidney
June 17, 2018, 3:45 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
There is a particular luxury in attending a ball inside the very building you live in. No matter how much liquor you drink, your bed is only a few flights of stairs away.
And if you can't make the stairs, the garden is always pleasant for a nap -- at least in the summer.
And if you can't make the stairs, the garden is always pleasant for a nap -- at least in the summer.
Written By Sina
June 17, 2018, 3:45 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Clara
But would you allow the initiation of someone into the deeper mysteries of your faith without knowing they are fully dedicated to that path?
Written By Clara
June 17, 2018, 3:13 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Sina
We have a Shaman who walks both paths in The Spirit Walkers and we have members who walk both paths.
Written By Ingrid
June 17, 2018, 2:48 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
The return home to Grihem's Point was both exciting and somber all the same. I enjoyed hearing the laughter of my brothers and sisters again. The songs sung by the various choirs were uplifting and something that was sorely missed on my move to Arx. I shall ask Valdemar if we could take the time to return to that tradition between our obligations.
My mother's failing health was forever on my mind and though she is nearly fully recovered from what ails her, it pains me to leave her once again.
My mother's failing health was forever on my mind and though she is nearly fully recovered from what ails her, it pains me to leave her once again.
Written By Monique
June 17, 2018, 2:35 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
There's a bright side in all this. If you can't find it, come see me. I'll help.
In other news, the Whisper Ball was incredible! I had a fabulous time dancing with a /wonderful/ partner. I think only seven of my toes got bruised, and two bruises on my hips. All in all, their hospitality is renowned for a reason, and Bliss Whisper, the newest Softest Whisper, proved that tonight.
In other news, the Whisper Ball was incredible! I had a fabulous time dancing with a /wonderful/ partner. I think only seven of my toes got bruised, and two bruises on my hips. All in all, their hospitality is renowned for a reason, and Bliss Whisper, the newest Softest Whisper, proved that tonight.
Written By Esoka
June 17, 2018, 2:33 a.m.(1/11/1009 AR)
As a Disciple of Gloria who counts many close to the spirits among her friends, I would welcome any who'd like help and consultation on how to reconcile the Dominus' decree with their own faith. My own commitment has ever been to the Pantheon and its gods, but I understand the path of belief for many is not so straight, their hearts not so clearly called to such. There has, I'd venture to say, not been enough attention paid to these questions in recent days. Perhaps this proclamation means that will change, if nothing else, and greater clarity and strength in our beliefs can only be for the good, even if the journey is a difficult one.
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