Written By Eirene
May 24, 2018, 6:10 p.m.(11/2/1008 AR)
Broke shit at the Thirteenth's lecture today.
Mostly I need to break myself so I can start to heal.
Damn if I'm not already broken enough...
Mostly I need to break myself so I can start to heal.
Damn if I'm not already broken enough...
Written By Arik
May 24, 2018, 4:43 p.m.(11/2/1008 AR)
I find myself wholly uninformed about another topic and so in the interest of future generations and my own enlightenment I write these multiple questions...
+ Are all Thraxian Houses save Thrax itself former shavs who were enthralled and somehow ennobled?
+ Are all shav enthralled within the realm Thrax claims?
+ Are shav tribes which willingly bend a knee when approached enthralled or accepted or ennobled if large enough?
+ Are the only enthralled shavs those who are captured in skirmishes or remain hostile?
+ Are hostile shav tribes which fight to the last slaughtered in whole like in other fealties?
+ Are all Thraxian Houses save Thrax itself former shavs who were enthralled and somehow ennobled?
+ Are all shav enthralled within the realm Thrax claims?
+ Are shav tribes which willingly bend a knee when approached enthralled or accepted or ennobled if large enough?
+ Are the only enthralled shavs those who are captured in skirmishes or remain hostile?
+ Are hostile shav tribes which fight to the last slaughtered in whole like in other fealties?
Written By Veronica
May 24, 2018, 4:10 p.m.(11/2/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Kael
Not so long ago, my siblings, cousins and I are the youngest generation of Keatons. We were the ones growing up and trying to fill our parent's shoes. I still think of myself as someone's daughter, someone's niece.
Not many years later, we are now staring in wonderment at the newest generation of Keatonlets. As of yesterday, I have become an Aunt for the fourth time. As we celebrate the birth of Lord Talis Keaton, I am still amazed that we are already preparing to groom the next generation.
The Count and Countess have been very diligent and efficient in manufacturing a steady stream of heirs for the family. If there is one thing I can say for Kael, it is that he is clearly a man of boundless energy.
Not many years later, we are now staring in wonderment at the newest generation of Keatonlets. As of yesterday, I have become an Aunt for the fourth time. As we celebrate the birth of Lord Talis Keaton, I am still amazed that we are already preparing to groom the next generation.
The Count and Countess have been very diligent and efficient in manufacturing a steady stream of heirs for the family. If there is one thing I can say for Kael, it is that he is clearly a man of boundless energy.
Written By Shard
May 24, 2018, 4:03 p.m.(11/2/1008 AR)
What the fuck? Goats? Why the fuck am I reading about thralls being compared to literal herd animals? Animals, I'll point out, that exist in the wild just fine when they haven't spent generations being raised by humans. Is that supposed to make thralldom sound /better/?
And the reforms in Thrax are too fast now? What? Victus just wrote about how it might take generations to get rid of Thralldom, if it happens at all. That's generations of Thralls, you realize. Generations of people, a huge number of them, if not the majority taken captive in raids because the 'debt' they owe is 'being Abandoned near Thrax holdings', that are going to live and probably die as thralls because we don't want to turn Thrax's economy upside-down. Those reforms? Those reforms are that 'probably', because before those reforms, it was almost always 'certainly', with a healthy dose of 'and also their children'. And the whole reason we're talking about this is because they're freeing literal children now.
So people are talking about murderers, and goats, and moving too fast when it comes to /paying people/ to /free literal children/ from /thralldom/, and one of you even thought to bring in Skald to argue he'd be against the idea of taking Thralldom away. Priceless. Why don't you all go dunk your heads in the fucking harbor. You sure as hell won't be volunteering to take those kids' places.
And the reforms in Thrax are too fast now? What? Victus just wrote about how it might take generations to get rid of Thralldom, if it happens at all. That's generations of Thralls, you realize. Generations of people, a huge number of them, if not the majority taken captive in raids because the 'debt' they owe is 'being Abandoned near Thrax holdings', that are going to live and probably die as thralls because we don't want to turn Thrax's economy upside-down. Those reforms? Those reforms are that 'probably', because before those reforms, it was almost always 'certainly', with a healthy dose of 'and also their children'. And the whole reason we're talking about this is because they're freeing literal children now.
So people are talking about murderers, and goats, and moving too fast when it comes to /paying people/ to /free literal children/ from /thralldom/, and one of you even thought to bring in Skald to argue he'd be against the idea of taking Thralldom away. Priceless. Why don't you all go dunk your heads in the fucking harbor. You sure as hell won't be volunteering to take those kids' places.
Written By Fairen
May 24, 2018, 2:26 p.m.(11/2/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Mae
Your research on Queen Triscali the Bold, Liberator of Arvum is conclusive and impressively well put together. It is fitting that her memorial is well remembered in the Hall of Heroes.
Written By Karadoc
May 24, 2018, 2:22 p.m.(11/2/1008 AR)
As an adjective for emphasis, rather than a verb. There aren't too many words with the versatility of fuck.
Written By Saoirse
May 24, 2018, 1:46 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
I still think the entire thing IS happening fast (a year ago? hardly a lifetime...) I acknowledge that it's incremental, which is wise. While the data is certainly welcome and illuminating, I hardly think it outlandish for other members of the Compact to wonder what will happen, or can happen, as Thrax abandons the practice of thralldom.
Will they struggle economically? Will the Compact be expected to step in? Will Thrax suddenly CAREEN toward a wild success due to this influx of labor? And that's nothing to say of the ideas that will infiltrate their ranks -- newly freed, whenever that happens, men and women will bring a very different experience to the table. What will they say? Who will they talk to?
These are just questions - and if we aren't asking them, we're begging for problems.
Will they struggle economically? Will the Compact be expected to step in? Will Thrax suddenly CAREEN toward a wild success due to this influx of labor? And that's nothing to say of the ideas that will infiltrate their ranks -- newly freed, whenever that happens, men and women will bring a very different experience to the table. What will they say? Who will they talk to?
These are just questions - and if we aren't asking them, we're begging for problems.
Written By Monique
May 24, 2018, 1:41 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Kael
“Be honorable yourself if you wish to associate with honorable people.”
I feel as though there must be some honor in me, if a man like Count Kael Keaton is willing to allow my assistance in his noble endeavor. It is my greatest desire not to let him down. To that end, I will be fundraising a substantial amount of silver to provide scholarships for those prospective warriors and knights from the Lowers who wish to enroll in Count Keaton's Academy of War and may not have the tuition to do so. These people are no less heroic, no less brave for their lack of coin. They are deserving and I can think of no finer example to give them of all that they may become than the Count of Keaton.
But this is not something I can do on my own.
I feel as though there must be some honor in me, if a man like Count Kael Keaton is willing to allow my assistance in his noble endeavor. It is my greatest desire not to let him down. To that end, I will be fundraising a substantial amount of silver to provide scholarships for those prospective warriors and knights from the Lowers who wish to enroll in Count Keaton's Academy of War and may not have the tuition to do so. These people are no less heroic, no less brave for their lack of coin. They are deserving and I can think of no finer example to give them of all that they may become than the Count of Keaton.
But this is not something I can do on my own.
Written By Ylva
May 24, 2018, 1:40 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
When I was a Mercy around Aviaron's Peak, we had to tend a lot of injuries because of goats.
I saw a lot of bites, but also some bruises and broken bones from headbutts and kicks when the goat attacked someone. Other times people cracked skulls and sprained ankles and broke legs when running after a goat, or away from one. Others got sick from drinking spoiled goat milk. We also saw a lot of injuries, big and small, caused by people fighting over goats. Sometimes someone robbed a goat, other times they moved the markers for pasture grounds in the middle of the night, or someone's dog injured someone else's goat, and people would come to blows over all of these. And once, a boy fell off a goat he had been riding and broke his arm, but I think that one was worth it. He had a little helmet and lance and everything.
A lot of these happened with domestic goats, but some injuries were caused by free wild mountain goats too. People got too close, or they tried to catch them, and that never went well.
I haven't seen any goat injuries since coming to Arx, unfortunately, since I'm better at those than some injuries you find more often here, like feet crushed by carriage wheels.
I don't know a lot about thralldom but I wanted to contribute.
I saw a lot of bites, but also some bruises and broken bones from headbutts and kicks when the goat attacked someone. Other times people cracked skulls and sprained ankles and broke legs when running after a goat, or away from one. Others got sick from drinking spoiled goat milk. We also saw a lot of injuries, big and small, caused by people fighting over goats. Sometimes someone robbed a goat, other times they moved the markers for pasture grounds in the middle of the night, or someone's dog injured someone else's goat, and people would come to blows over all of these. And once, a boy fell off a goat he had been riding and broke his arm, but I think that one was worth it. He had a little helmet and lance and everything.
A lot of these happened with domestic goats, but some injuries were caused by free wild mountain goats too. People got too close, or they tried to catch them, and that never went well.
I haven't seen any goat injuries since coming to Arx, unfortunately, since I'm better at those than some injuries you find more often here, like feet crushed by carriage wheels.
I don't know a lot about thralldom but I wanted to contribute.
Written By Orazio
May 24, 2018, 1:27 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Karadoc
Indeed.
In fact, one might say that treating people as if they were livestock is rather the crux of the problem.
And, on a practical level, I rather weep for the general intelligence of the villagers who are incapable of catching a herd of wandering goats, even when they didn't leave the farms but stayed to eat the crops. Perhaps we should dispatch some Disciples of Petrichor to the Halfshav lands for followup instruction in basic animal husbandry?
In fact, one might say that treating people as if they were livestock is rather the crux of the problem.
And, on a practical level, I rather weep for the general intelligence of the villagers who are incapable of catching a herd of wandering goats, even when they didn't leave the farms but stayed to eat the crops. Perhaps we should dispatch some Disciples of Petrichor to the Halfshav lands for followup instruction in basic animal husbandry?
Written By Thena
May 24, 2018, 1:25 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Vercyn
Does this make Karadoc's point easier to understand?
People are not goats.
People are not goats.
Written By Vercyn
May 24, 2018, 1:24 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Karadoc
I am going to assume you are using the F word as an expletive, rather than an action.
Written By Fortunato
May 24, 2018, 1:19 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Vercyn
If Triscali, who freed the slaves of the Compact, is Piet, than this goat at least is grateful to her. Even as I eat bread doubtless meant for better beasts.
Written By Karadoc
May 24, 2018, 1:17 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Vercyn
Bless. Sure, if you squint I'm sure anyone with two rocks in their head can get the point you're trying to make. Here's mine. People are not fucking goats, my lord.
Written By Vercyn
May 24, 2018, 1:01 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
When I was a boy, I had a friend named Piet. He was the son of a goatherd, with a good heart but not very smart. Piet and his father tended goats for their whole village, more than sixty of the beasts, and Piet was always fond of his charges. Used to tell me how he wished the goats could run free.
One day his father was ill and Piet tended to the goats alone. He saw his opportunity and set the herd free. He came home alone and proudly told everyone what he did.
Unfortunately, that was not the end of Piet's tale. The villagers lost their source of milk and cheese, and many grew weak. The goats multiplied rapidly and crowded out the local deer and elk herds. Some goats took to the fields and began eating the crops. The only ones who be benefited were the wolves, who grew fat and numerous from an abundance of easy prey.
And Piet, the poor lad, the angry villagers beat the snot out of him and put him in stocks for a week.
One day his father was ill and Piet tended to the goats alone. He saw his opportunity and set the herd free. He came home alone and proudly told everyone what he did.
Unfortunately, that was not the end of Piet's tale. The villagers lost their source of milk and cheese, and many grew weak. The goats multiplied rapidly and crowded out the local deer and elk herds. Some goats took to the fields and began eating the crops. The only ones who be benefited were the wolves, who grew fat and numerous from an abundance of easy prey.
And Piet, the poor lad, the angry villagers beat the snot out of him and put him in stocks for a week.
Written By Turo
May 24, 2018, 12:33 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Aleksei
Escuma and Whitefrost do not engage in thralldom, Archlector. It's an imperfect word that does a poor job of describing what occurs. I use it only because it's convenient, as trying to help educate people as to the realities on our isles gives *me* a headache. A man can only spend so long trying to explain truth into the shrieking wind before the very effort becomes wearying.
Anyone who wants to know the truth of things can come find me. I'm not hard to find.
Anyone who wants to know the truth of things can come find me. I'm not hard to find.
Written By Aleksei
May 24, 2018, 12:27 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
For some time now, the Faith has been offering free passage, room and board, and work placement or apprenticeships for any freed thrall who wishes our assistance. This system was established not long before House Kennex's abolition of thralldom in their domain, which sorely tested our limits. (They were initially designed for a much smaller trickle of souls.) Fortunately, we were able to get assistance from a wide number of Faithful with the means to help, offering ships or funds or the like.
I admit that when I was first designing the whole thing with the Liberators and the Faith, I expected a lot more people to take us up on the option to move elsewhere. We leave the choice in their hands, you see, because how they start this chapter in their lives is up to them. They've been denied choice, so I knew I had to give choice back to them. I thought people would want to get away from those that had held their chains. I underestimated how many of these people would still count these places as _home_.
The Faith doesn't endorse or recommend any particular location in the Compact to those it offers this assistance to. I do pass on specific offers extended from particular houses that try to incentivize their lands as a choice for someone to choose to relocate to, but I try to remain neutral in this. It doesn't really matter to me _where_ these people choose to go: it will be somewhere in the Compact, and they'll swear their fealty to whoever rules there, and they'll begin their lives again. The Faith is everywhere in the Compact, which means that we can help people get started anywhere they want to go.
So like I said -- I was surprised at how many chose to stay in the Isles in that massive effort. Not the majority, no, but it wasn't an insignificant number. A lot chose to relocate to areas that offered specific incentive, especially in the southern city-states, which have a climate closer to the Saffron Chain, where a number of them were from. But still: I had assumptions I had to revise.
The most important thing is this: we give them a choice. You can't offer someone their freedom and then tell them what they have to do with it. That said: a whole lot of people take us up on settling elsewhere, especially when the rest of the Compact makes particular effort to welcome them.
So. There's, you know, some actual information.
Please don't invoke Skald in your defenses of thralldom. It gives me a headache.
I admit that when I was first designing the whole thing with the Liberators and the Faith, I expected a lot more people to take us up on the option to move elsewhere. We leave the choice in their hands, you see, because how they start this chapter in their lives is up to them. They've been denied choice, so I knew I had to give choice back to them. I thought people would want to get away from those that had held their chains. I underestimated how many of these people would still count these places as _home_.
The Faith doesn't endorse or recommend any particular location in the Compact to those it offers this assistance to. I do pass on specific offers extended from particular houses that try to incentivize their lands as a choice for someone to choose to relocate to, but I try to remain neutral in this. It doesn't really matter to me _where_ these people choose to go: it will be somewhere in the Compact, and they'll swear their fealty to whoever rules there, and they'll begin their lives again. The Faith is everywhere in the Compact, which means that we can help people get started anywhere they want to go.
So like I said -- I was surprised at how many chose to stay in the Isles in that massive effort. Not the majority, no, but it wasn't an insignificant number. A lot chose to relocate to areas that offered specific incentive, especially in the southern city-states, which have a climate closer to the Saffron Chain, where a number of them were from. But still: I had assumptions I had to revise.
The most important thing is this: we give them a choice. You can't offer someone their freedom and then tell them what they have to do with it. That said: a whole lot of people take us up on settling elsewhere, especially when the rest of the Compact makes particular effort to welcome them.
So. There's, you know, some actual information.
Please don't invoke Skald in your defenses of thralldom. It gives me a headache.
Written By Victus
May 24, 2018, 12:27 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Saoirse
I will have to disagree with you that this change could be called 'rapid' at all. More than what has been done in years? Yeah, definitely. But rapid? No.
The series of reformation laws I introduced about a year ago did change how thralldom is practiced, but it did not change the fact that Lords of the Isles could still enforce thralldom for crimes they found fit required it as punishment. The creation of new thralls dropped dramatically yes, but it is still a system that functions for the same purposes as it always has. The differences between then and now is the fact that treating thralls as less than human was more widespread, abuses was far easier and many would find themselves shackled for life. Now, the system requires the end-goal of reintroducing the thrall to society with the tools to prosper as an individual before their contract is served.
Does this change the fact that any Lord with an army can go across his land, kick over the nearest tribe of Abandoned and take their entire village in chains for his service? No, no it does not. That can still happen, that does still happen.
But I'm assuming this is all being bred because of the slow process of releasing child thralls by paying off their standing debts. If we're going to analyze how that stacks up to thralldom as a whole, you'll find that it is actually sorely irrelevant to the entire practice.
The total number of child thralls currently within Thrax is 50,000. It costs 1.5 million silver to release a few thousand of them. 1.5 million silver to release not adults with developed skills for labor, but children who were born into the system before inheriting debts was outlawed. Children who are growing up knowing nothing but servitude for crimes they didn't commit. And there are still tens of thousands of them yet to go.
Compare this to the fact that thralls as a whole number in the hundreds of thousands. That is not an exaggeration.
The release of child thralls is barely a drop in the bucket compared to the practice as a whole. That doesn't make it any less of a worthy goal, but if we're speaking realistically, this changes so very little. What it represents more is empowering the ideal of eroding an unjust system that has unfairly squandered years of their life already rather than ripping out roots of a tree.
This is a slow process. It will stay a slow process if it's to be done properly. What's happening now is popular, newsworthy, but its true effects are whispers and influence that we'll be seeing take root for some time yet. It may well be awhile before we can see the real, tangible change this creates beyond the obvious.
The series of reformation laws I introduced about a year ago did change how thralldom is practiced, but it did not change the fact that Lords of the Isles could still enforce thralldom for crimes they found fit required it as punishment. The creation of new thralls dropped dramatically yes, but it is still a system that functions for the same purposes as it always has. The differences between then and now is the fact that treating thralls as less than human was more widespread, abuses was far easier and many would find themselves shackled for life. Now, the system requires the end-goal of reintroducing the thrall to society with the tools to prosper as an individual before their contract is served.
Does this change the fact that any Lord with an army can go across his land, kick over the nearest tribe of Abandoned and take their entire village in chains for his service? No, no it does not. That can still happen, that does still happen.
But I'm assuming this is all being bred because of the slow process of releasing child thralls by paying off their standing debts. If we're going to analyze how that stacks up to thralldom as a whole, you'll find that it is actually sorely irrelevant to the entire practice.
The total number of child thralls currently within Thrax is 50,000. It costs 1.5 million silver to release a few thousand of them. 1.5 million silver to release not adults with developed skills for labor, but children who were born into the system before inheriting debts was outlawed. Children who are growing up knowing nothing but servitude for crimes they didn't commit. And there are still tens of thousands of them yet to go.
Compare this to the fact that thralls as a whole number in the hundreds of thousands. That is not an exaggeration.
The release of child thralls is barely a drop in the bucket compared to the practice as a whole. That doesn't make it any less of a worthy goal, but if we're speaking realistically, this changes so very little. What it represents more is empowering the ideal of eroding an unjust system that has unfairly squandered years of their life already rather than ripping out roots of a tree.
This is a slow process. It will stay a slow process if it's to be done properly. What's happening now is popular, newsworthy, but its true effects are whispers and influence that we'll be seeing take root for some time yet. It may well be awhile before we can see the real, tangible change this creates beyond the obvious.
Written By Mae
May 24, 2018, 12:15 p.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
I released a book titled "A HARLEQUIN'S TALE: QUEEN TRISCALI THE BOLD". It is the story of a strong woman who stood up for freedom, who defended the Compact, and who liberated Arvum. It is the story of how 800 years ago, slavery was common place in the Compact, and it was Triscali, the Black Rose, that ended it.
When Triscali decried an end to slavery, there was chaos. There was disaster. The Compact's economy was in tatters. Considering the war that was still simmering in Arx, and the foreign forces that were attacking on and off, most of Triscali's peers thought her action was madness. They hated her. It is terribly obvious why Triscali was never enshrined in the Hall of Heroes: She flipped the Compact upside down and there was much damage done.
Yet, in the end, because of her, we know freedom.
I had hoped that by releasing this book more individuals would see how our present circumstances were not that much different than hers. We have Thralls. We know freeing them will be a disaster. Yet, would Triscali do it? Even if there is damage done and lives lost? I believe the answer is yes.
It was Triscali who said, "Be bold - and be smart." Taking tiny steps to promote slow change is not being bold. Letting fear stop you from action is not smart.
I say to everyone that has seen this book or gazed upon Triscali's painting in the Hall of Heroes: BE BOLD.
For those with the very literal power to free their Thralls and finish what Triscali started: BE BOLD.
When Triscali decried an end to slavery, there was chaos. There was disaster. The Compact's economy was in tatters. Considering the war that was still simmering in Arx, and the foreign forces that were attacking on and off, most of Triscali's peers thought her action was madness. They hated her. It is terribly obvious why Triscali was never enshrined in the Hall of Heroes: She flipped the Compact upside down and there was much damage done.
Yet, in the end, because of her, we know freedom.
I had hoped that by releasing this book more individuals would see how our present circumstances were not that much different than hers. We have Thralls. We know freeing them will be a disaster. Yet, would Triscali do it? Even if there is damage done and lives lost? I believe the answer is yes.
It was Triscali who said, "Be bold - and be smart." Taking tiny steps to promote slow change is not being bold. Letting fear stop you from action is not smart.
I say to everyone that has seen this book or gazed upon Triscali's painting in the Hall of Heroes: BE BOLD.
For those with the very literal power to free their Thralls and finish what Triscali started: BE BOLD.
Written By Fortunato
May 24, 2018, 11:59 a.m.(10/24/1008 AR)
It is well for the great to debate and discuss.
It is also well to remember that the actual subjects of many arguments are not given to participate. And that any one of us, especially those of no blood, may be in such a situation in this life or the next.
It is well to pray not to be in such a situation. But prayer is not enough.
Remember only that the gods are for the small as well as the great. That memory is for the small as well as the great.
It is also well to remember that the actual subjects of many arguments are not given to participate. And that any one of us, especially those of no blood, may be in such a situation in this life or the next.
It is well to pray not to be in such a situation. But prayer is not enough.
Remember only that the gods are for the small as well as the great. That memory is for the small as well as the great.
Please note that the scholars may take some time preparing your journal for others to read.